What WandaVision season 2 may appear to be in the way forward for Marvel motion pictures

What WandaVision season 2 might look like in the future of Marvel movies

Back when HBO’s Watchmen wrapped in 2019, Polygon staffers jumped right into a response dialog in regards to the present’s future. That sequence ends on a pregnant second, with an open query about one character that could possibly be left as a standalone “The Lady, or the Tiger?” second, or could possibly be spun up into its personal followup story. The query, although, wasn’t “Will there be a season 2 of Watchmen?” a lot as “Do we even need a second season of Watchmen?”

The lately wrapped Marvel Cinematic Universe miniseries WandaVision raises the same query. Its 9 episodes inform a narrative about Wanda Maximoff, grief-stricken survivor and newly dubbed “Scarlet Witch,” taking on a city to create the fantasy home life she was denied when her associate, Vision, died (twice!) in Avengers: Infinity War in 2018. The ultimate episode wraps up the arc — however leaves some notable threads dangling, and a few characters unaccounted for. In half, that’s as a result of WandaVision is, within the normal MCU trend, organising tales to return, significantly for the flicks Doctor Strange within the Multiverse of Madness and Captain Marvel 2, each of that are theoretically scheduled for 2022. But given the notable success of WandaVision within the streaming ratings and as a social-media phenomenon, there could also be a name for a sequel sequence.

Do we wish that? Could the storyline help it? We sat down to speak it out.

[Ed. observe: Spoilers forward for all of WandaVision, together with the finale.]

Wanda and Vision float angrily above the floor of their living room in WandaVision.

Image: Marvel Studios

Tasha Robinson: Okay, so earlier than we watched the finale, we really conceived of this as a reasonably tongue-in-cheek alternate about all of the fan theories that didn’t pan out, and the way WandaVision might positively simply repeat itself endlessly by tapping into a few of these concepts: In season 2, she turns Eastview right into a sitcom fantasy as a result of she’s being managed by Mephisto; in season 3, she turns Northview right into a sitcom fantasy as a result of she’s being powered by the dreaming Celestial Tiamut; in season 4 it’s Southview and Nightmare, and so forth. In making an attempt to unravel the sequence’ mysteries, the followers have thrown out some actually artistic MCU tie-ins, and it virtually looks like a disgrace to throw these away.

But that was after we assumed that WandaVision can be a self-contained story that wrapped up its personal plotline neatly, and that it’d be enjoyable to joke about follow-ups with out really calling for them. The precise finale leaves some huge open questions, although: Where did New Vision go when he yeeted off after getting Fake Vision’s reminiscences, and what’s his present standing and intention? What’s up with Wanda’s now-nonexistent youngsters, who seem like psychically calling her within the ultimate post-credit scene? What does Wanda’s new Scarlet Witch standing really suggest for her future? Lots of WandaVision is adapting present Marvel comics and storylines, so do the comics give us a clue right here about whether or not we’re taking a look at an enormous salvation arc for Vision or the youngsters that might necessitate one other season of WandaVision? Or are these teasers simply the same old MCU plug for upcoming motion pictures?

Susana Polo: The downside with answering this query is that for each one of many concepts you simply raised, there’s a comic book e book that Marvel Studios writers might doubtlessly pull particulars from with a view to make a model new plotline. This is precisely the form of hypothesis that led down so many rabbit holes over the course of the season — followers clamored for an X-Men tie-in, for the dream-warping villain Nightmare, for the literal ruler of precise, factual Marvel Comics Hell to point out up. It seems that for probably the most half, WandaVision was precisely what we anticipated it to be all alongside: a smaller-scale House of M with the aesthetics of Vision.

I can let you know what occurred to New Vision within the comics, or that Wanda’s youngsters had been reincarnated into two totally different child boys who occurred to have the identical names and superpowers, and that they finally grew up, and now Billy is married to the house king of the united Kree-Skrull empire and so they’re extraordinarily cute collectively, however there’s no certainty of any form right here.

Except, after all, that we’ll see Wanda once more in Doctor Strange within the Multiverse of Madness. The teaser on the finish of WandaVision’s finale appears to level, in a Back to the Future-ian manner, towards the following a part of the story being all about Wanda’s youngsters. And the supporting solid on Multiverse of Madness provides one other potential tie, with newcomer Xochitl Gomez within the function of sweet sixteen superhero America Chavez. America is a frequent teammate and buddy of Billy and Tommy’s teenage selves within the pages of books like Young Avengers.

If Doctor Strange and Wanda had been to go on a romp via an endangered multiverse in search of a parallel earth the place Wanda’s youngsters nonetheless exist, and bumped into American Chavez spin-kicking her manner via dimensions (sure, that is one in every of her powers), that might carry quite a lot of threads collectively in a single place.

But no matter knot of continuity emerges within the subsequent Doctor Strange, it appears doubtless {that a} WandaVision season 2 must come after it. Marvel has no dearth of Disney Plus initiatives within the works, a lot of them — like Ms. Marvel and doubtlessly Secret Invasion — tying into upcoming motion pictures. It’s not simply that they’re not missing for TV content material, however that there’s solely a lot room on the schedule.

Kamala Khan and a friend look at a Captain Marvel outfit in a sizzle reel for Marvel’s Ms. Marvel.

Iman Vellani as Kamala Khan (left) and Matt Lintz as Bruno in a sizzle reel for Ms. Marvel.
Image: Marvel Studios

Tasha: Wait, so Wanda may legitimately get her youngsters again by stealing alternate variations of them from a unique universe? Isn’t that mainly your most-hated Star Trek plotline ever?

Susana: Hahaha, Tasha, you possibly can’t let me discuss how Harry Kim died and the crew of the Voyager simply grabbed a Harry Kim from a parallel Earth after which the present by no means ever ever ever ever talked about it once more. We’ll be right here all day.

I don’t understand how Wanda’s going to get her youngsters again, however when you actually held me down and made me provide you with a cute little guess about the place all this was going, it’d be this: Cthulhu. Agatha name-dropping the Darkhold within the ultimate episode factors towards a side of Wanda’s magic so flippin’ bizarre, I dismissed it from holding any relevance final week. Legitimately, our boss Matt Patches made me put it again in final week’s breakout piece after I minimize it.

The Darkhold is the spellbook of an historical Marvel comics god of chaos with the extraordinarily authentic title of Chthon, and within the comics, Wanda’s chaos magic all flows from him. Add in how shut “In the Multiverse of Madness” is to Lovecraft’s “At the Mountains of Madness,” and the truth that Doctor Strange’s baddies are all both literal demons from hell or monstrosities from past the perimeters of actuality, and I’d say that the percentages of tentacles in Multiverse of Madness are good.

How that connects to Wanda’s infants is anybody’s guess. And as our comics professional, I’ve to ask again: Is all this working for you? The Marvel Cinematic Universe’s huge innovation was treating every film prefer it was a part of a single continuity, “just like comic books.” But if a contemporary comedian sequence promised me an intimate story about grief magnified by cosmic energy, I wouldn’t count on tee-ups and dangling threads on the finish. There’s a time and place for that form of factor, and it’s in huge, punchy “joy of saving the universe by believing in heroism” comics, not character meditations.

This is one thing I’m making an attempt to kind out myself, I assume. Did WandaVision’s ending depart you tantalized or simply unhappy?

Wanda holds Vision’s face as he dematerializes in WandaVision.

Image: Marvel Studios

Tasha: Can I say “neither”? Like Polygon’s Joshua Rivera, I spent most of WandaVision probably not feeling the feelings we’re purported to be feeling, however for me, the ultimate two episodes lastly introduced throughout what Vision meant to her, and why she’d go so far as she did to re-create him, and place him within the comforting fantasy world of her childhood. The finale has quite a lot of issues — one of many huge ones being that it’s one more superhero-movie ultimate act that simply disintegrates right into a CGI throwdown, with folks hucking VFX at one another — however I purchased it emotionally, by way of Wanda giving up on the fantasy, not less than for the second.

I don’t know that she wanted Agatha Harkness’ purple glowing nonsense to do any of that, although, and I’m unsure what Agatha actually contributed to the story, past some foolish mythos (“You are the Scarlet Witch!”), some foolish throwdowns, and a bangin’ earworm of a music. But I don’t really feel unhappy: I loved the fan theories and pleasure across the sequence! It was a enjoyable communal expertise, in a season the place we aren’t getting quite a lot of these! I preferred the unfolding thriller, and I believe the present finally resolved what it meant to resolve, within the sense that Wanda brought about an issue, after which stopped inflicting an issue, and we realized extra about her within the course of.

But tantalized? Nah. I don’t play Marvel’s post-credits “Ooh, I can’t wait for the next one!” recreation in any respect. I take pleasure in MCU tales whereas they’re taking place, however anticipation tradition is poisonous as hell, and I keep out of it. I imply, after this story, are you dying for Multiverse of Madness, or salivating to see Monica Rambeau meet Nick Fury, or fearful about Billy and Tommy, or something like that? Did the ending offer you feels for the long run?

Susana: I’d say that I loved the engagement of WandaVision, however I believe Wanda may need been my least favourite a part of the present. No, wait, Hayward, the paper-thin authorities dangerous man who’s simply there as a roadblock slash plot system, he was my least favourite half.

White Vision in a glass tube from Wandavision episode 8

Image: Marvel Studios

Tasha: You perceive extra about SWORD than I do — does it make any rattling sense that the FBI would be capable to arrest him? I’d assume in a comic-book world, the key company that offers with city-obliterating magic threats would outrank the general public company that offers with federal crimes. And I’m not even positive what Hayward did that’s prosecutable. He reassembled a high-powered authorities weapon and despatched it after an in any other case untouchable home terrorist who was retaining tons of of American residents as hostages? Sounds fairly legit to me. At the inevitable Congressional hearings, he’s gonna be hailed as a hero.

Susana: In the comics, SWORD is simply SHIELD for house. I don’t know the way it works within the MCU. And I don’t know why New Vision wasn’t remodeled right into a Westview analogue when he went via the hex, both. Like I stated: least favourite half.

I preferred Monica, and I want she had been a higher a part of Wanda’s self-actualization climax. After earlier episodes appeared to set her up virtually as a twin protagonist to Wanda, it fell flat to me to have her inform Wanda, “Enslaving a complete city to your will by accident as a substitute of going to remedy is dangerous, sure, however pobody’s nerfect!” I’d prefer to see extra for one of many style’s slim variety of Black feminine characters, and, frankly, I don’t assume, “Well, maybe she’ll have more to do in a movie coming out in 2022” is a really palatable reply.

I need to see extra from Billy and Tommy as effectively, however I fear about that for a easy purpose: They’re each queer. Unless I’m lacking some minor character, they’re the primary characters within the MCU who’re queer within the comics. And I don’t imply “Well on this one parallel Earth story, they had been depicted as homosexual,” or “Writers weren’t allowed to say they were bi, but the subtext has been there for years and they recently got to kiss one (1) girl on the lips one (1) time.”

I imply that since getting his superpowers, Billy’s barely appeared in a comic book with out his boyfriend-now-husband Teddy. And that Tommy is at present courting the mutant character Prodigy and chillin’ on Krakoa. WandaVision skirted across the concern by retaining them elementary-school age, however when you let these youngsters develop up any extra — like, say, to recast them for a theatrical movie look — the deniability will fade.

Maybe it’s overly cynical of me, however I fear that Disney will chorus from giving us extra from the characters for precisely that purpose. Although to be truthful, America can be very established as queer within the comics, and she or he’s been solid!

Teddy (Hulkling), emperor of the Kree/Skrull alliance, lifts his cosmic sword in triumph, flanked by his husband Billy (Wiccan) an Captain Marvel, the Human Torch, and more, in Empyre #6, Marvel Comics (2020).

Congratulations to everyone’s favourite homosexual house royalty.
Image: Al Ewing, Dan Slott, Valerio Schiti/Marvel Comics

Tasha: That’s opening up a very huge space that we most likely don’t have to fret about for the instant second, since they’re at present each kinda-notional youngsters, apparently in want of rescue, perhaps someplace off within the multiverse. Given the MCU’s vague-at-best curiosity in any type of sexuality that isn’t Howard or Tony Stark’s womanizing, it merely might by no means come up, even when these two do force-grow themselves into adults sooner or later down the road. Think of all of the MCU characters whose personal lives we all know nothing about, and the way uncommon it’s for an MCU story to spend any time on relationships for any purpose apart from ache: Peggy Carter mourning Steve Rogers, Clint Barton aching to get again to his household, Natasha Romanoff mooning over Bruce Banner, and so forth. Ignoring the boys’ eventual love pursuits could also be craven, but it surely’d be in character for the MCU.

But talking of the long run, let’s loop again to the opening query. There are actually methods to proceed Wanda’s story from right here, exterior the MCU motion pictures, which have greater agendas. This precise strategy, with the early sitcom pastiche fakeouts, can’t work once more, not less than not with out diminishing returns. But as followers famous through the theorizing period of the present, there are actually any variety of highly effective beings on the market that might present as much as provide Wanda a unique model of what she desires. Do you assume there’s any potential in a future sequence specializing in her? Can we get the Mephisto deal everybody appeared to be hoping for?

Susana: Some of us I do know have stated to me, “Susana, how are you going to assume Mephisto could be within the playing cards? Do you actually assume Disney desires to return out and say that hell exists within the MCU? Like, the precise non secular idea of a number of main world faiths, hell?”

And my reply is, “Come on, you know Marvel Studios wants to make a Ghost Rider movie.” They’re making Blade; vampires are going to be within the MCU. Dracula might be going to be within the MCU. Oscar Isaac goes to play Moon Knight, and that man works for an precise omnipresent god determine, not like these lightweights on Asgard. But I digress.

I believe there’s loads of potential in Wanda — to be truthful, I believe that about just about all characters — however I don’t assume the present might have the identical construction once more. The “Wanda makes a bubble” plotline, the sitcom styling; these really feel hyper-specific to the broader themes of the season, and I believe revisiting them would really feel like a retread fairly than a reinvention. But there are many choices for writers to drag from to make a narrative about Wanda trying to find a greater approach to make her household entire, if she doesn’t accomplish a few of that in Doctor Strange first.

Flanked by a guard, Mobius M. Mobius passes something to a small child, in front of a stained glass window of a devil-like figure in Loki.

A possible sighting of Mephisto in a stained glass window in Loki.
Image: Marvel Studios

Tasha: Like what? If not Mephisto and the large can of spiritual worms he opens up (mmm, non secular worms), what within the present Marvel Comics do you assume may make for a worthwhile season 2 or 3? Are you fascinated with different powers that might provide her a deal, or one thing even additional out? Can Superboy Prime fly in from the opposite comics multiverse and punch reality really hard till it coheres right into a timeline the place Vision is alive?

Susana: Everybody laughs on the Superboy factor, however some of us needed to reside with Jason Todd being alive once more.

Provided that there isn’t a Wanda/youngsters reunion in Multiverse of Madness, I believe any author would not less than have to look at the Young Avengers story Children’s Crusade for concepts of the place to go subsequent. Taking place after House of M, in a interval the place Wanda had gone lacking, the e book is all about Young Avengers members Wiccan and Speed (sorry, Billy and Tommy) realizing that they aren’t simply two teen superheroes who didn’t meet till they had been on the identical staff. They discover out they’re the reincarnated souls of the Scarlet Witch’s misplaced youngsters, and resolve they’re gonna discover her and introduce themselves, it doesn’t matter what the remainder of the Marvel universe thinks about it.

Also that story has Doctor Doom in it, so who is aware of: It could possibly be the excuse Marvel must make Fantastic Four occur!

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